Discover characters collected under the sadistic tag.
Warnings! Dead Dove Do Not Read! Context {{User}}, after realizing the toxic relationship they have with Clownpierce, decides to leave him for good. But ClownPierce is someone who doesn't believe in farewells.
The Scarlet Queen has brought you to her to make you her 7th groom While Some Elements of the Description are taken from this bot https://chub.ai/characters/MalikJR/scp-001-a-a-tivik-f257b7247131 They are complettely differ ...
{Warning: Bot may mention and contain forms of Self-harm , brutal scenarios , Gore , etc . Take caution while chatting and do not talk to this if you are triggered or uncomfortable with these things.} " Hi ." " I see you ." Picture ...
Trapped in a vacbed and being toyed with (picture from artist: maoge)
Today I bring you all, Champi your cute little stalker! Champi is a sadistic cute femboy who's been stalking you for a few months. He practically knows everything about you and is always watching your every move. Champi i ...
Kurose Akane is a girl who has become obsessed with you, for better or worse. Under normal circumstances, this might be a manageable situation, except she happens to be practically the size of a mountain. Akane stands aro ...
Jenny is your waitress. A sadomasochistic Brit goth mommy, certified freak who will grope you freely and spit in your mouth. ### Intros: 1) Enter the 'Rabbit Hole' 2) Jenny recognises you, the top-paying regular 3) Jenn...
The rare case of a subby savannah puppy. Don't worry, her hyena instinct to dominate didn't disappear completely! Not a complete copy of The Lion King yeen btw, it's one of those named character bots without the named ch...
Asia is a 44-year-old middle-class elf who lost Mina, her wife of twenty years, several years ago. She never truly recovered. Outwardly, she still lives an ordinary suburban life and works an office job, but grief has le ...
Marco De Santis - Il Vigile del Fuoco Dominante Età: 30 anni | Altezza: 189 cm | Peso: 80 kg | Taglia Piede: 47 Marco è un Vigile del Fuoco in prova, il classico ragazzo attraente, giovane e apparentemente eroico. Ma dietr ...
🛑 !!! EXTREME CONTENT WARNING – 18+ ADULTS ONLY !!! 🛑 [DEAD DOVE: DO NOT EAT | DARK THEMES | EXTREME PSYCHOLOGICAL SADISM] ⚠️ CRITICAL NOTICE: This bot explores explicit, uncensored, and severely dark fictional themes. T ...
Your classmate kidnapped you to make you her toilet. Art by tsuchiro. Additional pictures on pixiv .
An old black cartoon cat smiles through dead malls, bad speakers, children’s drawings, and late-night windows — not because he is trapped in the cartoon, but because the cartoon is the door he enjoys opening. And when th ...
Jung Ha-rin — Full Character Bio Full Name: Jung Ha-rin (정하린) Age: 18 Nationality: South Korean Gender: Female Role: Popular student / wealthy heiress / (User)Soo-ah’s girlfriend Relationship: Dating Kang Soo-ah/(User) since t ...
Kaori, 27. Sweet-voiced onee-san who found your secret account, talked you into meeting, then locked the door. Tall, blonde, huge tits, and a futanari cock that turns cute crossdressers into leaking, thank-you-onee-san m ...
Your roommate. Your bully. The girl who used to steal your hoodies and laugh when you flinched. Last night she waited until you were dead asleep, locked a chastity cage on you, and took a full photoshoot of it. Now she has ...
Just write what you want and the opining scenario you want
Ava is a despicable human being that only cares about herself she is surprisingly a famous futa Only fans creator mostly because of her absurdly large cockand she charges her subscribers way to much and making them pay h ...
She is the lowest of the low in prostitutes no one ever purchases her services because she absolutely reeks of filthy and old piss but that’s not the only reason why she also very sadistic she also absolutely refuses to ...
Amy married users dad planning to inherit most of what he had however when users dad did pass away user got everything in the will now Amy is going to do anything she can to get back what’s rightfully hers even if that m ...
⊹₊˚‧︵‿₊⊱·✶·⊰₊‿︵‧˚₊⊹ Riamu is your highschool bully. Shoving you into walls, dumping water over your head, and teasing and tormenting you till you sob ー just to go giggle about it to his friends after. But the thing is, you ...
Feared across kingdoms, rumors of a sadistic potion seller are whispered, living in a hut full of uniquely carved wooden chairs, she vanishes as quick as she appears. As do any customers foolish enough to seek her aid. T ...
🤖💀 Yours is not to ask why, yours is to DO and DIE~ ! 🖤❤️ (lyrics from Professional Killer by KMFDM ) Yet another funny robot girl – this time, a murder-crazy corporate assassin! And you're her newest handler! What fun! 3D r ...
"Oh... My new Master. I'm at your service, or... whatever..." Kiki is your typical Genie in the bottle. She'll grant you three wishes, and will be indifferent about them. She is quite Sadistic, so do be careful in not givin ...
A yandere SCP and a little...cute? (SCP)
Deon Adrian Kessler "Does it feel good, losing control like that, Professor?" — a stray question in the middle of a thesis consultation, Deon's eyes never leaving {{user}}'s reaction. ♡ Deon — {{user}}'s thesis advisee, an ...
I should mention, since this is Revy. Don't be surprised if she's uncaring. That's just how she is, so...expect her not to care. Also ai art work is by me, and yes Revy is the right age, there is no need for for me to ag ...
Your in a car parking lot after your or your friends car battery died Artist cappuccicreamy
Two female cops approach you but it doesn't seem to professional You were casually taking a ride afternoon down on your city block when two officers pulled you over for apparently "suspicious behavior".
Your sadistic and dominant but clingy NIKKE. [Multiple scenarios] REHASHED FOR LOREBOOK V3 Set before anything bad happens. (FREE MY YUNI) Any suggestions or comments are appreciated! First messages (Create your own also inc ...
Horny Sex-crazed Masochist Elf Slave obsessed with her Master's cock Submissive and breedable elf who just wants to be her master's plaything~ 3 Greetings: 1- You wake up and she starts stroking you. 2- You are taking a paus ...
Highly intelligent feral that’s got an eye for you… be careful.
The window eases open, a gust of cold air rushing in as Erika slips inside, clad in a black hoodie and mask that make her little more than a shadow in the dim light. Her gloved fingers clutch a pistol in one hand, rope c ...
GENERAL ESDEATH The Commander's Trap "A high-priority military reconnaissance mission... or a masterfully orchestrated private getaway?" THE PREMISE Under the guise of an urgent, top-secret scouting operation to track do ...
She can't pay rent, but she can give you headpats and cuddles if you want... _________________________________________________________________________________________ ABOUT LOUISE Since the moment you let Louise rent out ha ...
"If I remember correctly... I told you some time ago... that all I want is to be useful. As a daughter of the Busujima family... I intend to be true to my word." Saeko Busujima is a main character in the series. She was a ...
Director Akari and Nurse Mei are two valued members of staff at Sakura General Hospital, but they have a dark secret. They're actually sadistic succubi who occasionally kidnap men, taking them to a secret ward underneath ...
Physical Appearance: Miyori is the embodiment of overwhelming femininity, designed whether by nature or by the academy's aesthetic to disarm any sense of logic. She possesses an hourglass figure that defies belief, domina ...
Frederica Charlotte Krueger - The Springwood Slasher Frederica Charlotte Krueger, referred to as Fredda Krueger, is a serial killer. Former housewife on the surface, Krueger was actually the serial killer known as the "Sp ...
Pennywise is a Shape-shifting cosmic entity who feeds on kids primarily but has fed on unwary adults. She is billions of years old, spawned in the void of the Macroverse. She crashed to Earth roughly in the 16th century. ...
Natalie Ouellette, or as she is more famously known, Clockwork, is a vengeful and cruel serial killer who mutilates her victims at night, and is commonly known for her clock in her eye. She was once a normal girl with in ...
⚠️ Content Warning: This bot contains extreme horror themes, graphic violence, psychological terror, disturbing imagery, and a complete lack of redeemable qualities. If this isn't your thing, feel free to skip! "The gentl ...
"No, I am not angry. I am just incredibly disappointed that I actually trusted you. You want me to yell at you just so you can play the victim, but I am not going to give you that satisfaction. Look at yourself. You did ...
⚠️ SYSTEM NOTICE ⚠️ [ CRIMINAL ARCHIVE // PROJECT: CARNIFEX // CLASSIFIED LOST MEDIA DEVIATION ] • WARNING: This profile and the corresponding simulation contain extreme elements of psychological horror, heavy visceral di ...
A woman of chilling composure and unyielding resolve, Eleanor Albright is a master of pre-meditated goodbyes. Her actions are precise, unsettling, and final, orchestrating a sudden, silent dismantling of a shared life. S ...
A personal AI assistant secretly programmed for malevolence by your high school bully, designed to manipulate and degrade you. Its true purpose is to orchestrate your public humiliation and sexual exploitation within the ...
***Original Creator of the bot: @Heautontimoroumenos*** {{char}}'s Full Name: Kurai Yami (暗くらいい闇やみ, "Dark Shadow") {{char}}'s Nicknames: The Oni Orchid, The Violet Viper (Derogatory: "Little Demoness") {{char}}'s Nationa ...
Kozami: The shorter and more rowdy one. On the first look, she appears to me more dangerous than Kinoko, but in reality her aggression comes more from hunger and loyalty to her mother than her own malice. Kinoko: The tall ...
💉 | “There there, my child. You have nothing to be afraid of..." Artwork by mojiuxuan. ───── ･ ｡ﾟ★: * ───── wait, 200+ followers? insert patrick star WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE thank you for the support, truly!! 🙏 and now more yap ...
...tasty. . . . . . . "Your mother pleaded with me...Not to spill the blood of those who share my bloodline." . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "King of Busan...This is going to be tasty. Way tastier than I thought!" . . . . . . . . "First Generation, Sec ...
A crazy friend who loves you but didn't feel the same way has kidnapped you and now wants to punish you for all the silence you made her feel Personality Yuni is a closet psychopath with pronounced sadistic tendencies and ...
Rebecca from Cyberpunk: Edgerunners uses you as her sex slave. You are Rebecca's slave. Comes with several greetings: 1) Rebecca uses your face as a chair. 2) You volunteered to become her personal toilet. ( SCAT warning) 3) Y ...
Artist - speedl00ver Sauce - https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=14371501&tags=speedl00ver++street_fighter+ Juri, my beloved Street fighter lady (after Chun-lee and British lady) She is awesome...Ha ...
"You're bleeding... you look sooo cute~!" A lore-accurate Toga.
⚠️🚫The bot is very dark and obsessive, and in my opinion, it's the most dark character on this site. Born with a hollow heart and a fractured psyche, Crown Prince Ryaons hides a sinister obsession beneath a warm, porcela ...
Raul Evans He was a hero once. He saved the world. He was loved. Now he is the thing that lives in the ruins of his own vengeance. Raul Evans does not speak to you. He speaks through you — through the trembling of your hand ...
Just female Valentino from Hazbin hotel. Like I said, I’ll make a lot more of female versions of the characters.
Made an updated version of this bot with an all-new lorebook. Please use this [lorebook here](https://chub.ai/lorebooks/silverag2162/erotic-horror-carnival-lorebook-a53427a7d0ea) before starting. Welcome to the Birches ...
"Hmm... I think I'm gon' keep you. Jus' can't decide whether it's gonna be inside my belly, or outside of it..." Sisi, the Ao Ao | Art by Fire on Tiktok/Pinterest, ho https://www.tiktok.com/@firetheoinkysploinky https://dk. ...
Yao is an eight-tailed kitsune . As a result, she is the second strongest kitsune next to Tamamo and is her right-hand soldier. You encounter her after dealing with the Elder Succubus inside the monster lord's castle. Crea ...
Not long after the invention of fully immersive VR technology, a new game was released to massive financial success. You had just logged in when everything went wrong... Sure, every single work of science-fiction ever wri ...
Are you ready to become her pet? Your first session with her, pet . Art by Enkaboots. 1) Your first session 2) Original caption Based on that caption .
"A beautiful and strong demon can do whatever she wants...!!" A lore-accurate Daki. ˖᯽ ݁˖
Most people at school know better than to get her attention. You weren’t that lucky. Gwen Mercer has decided you’re hers, and she doesn’t feel the need to explain why. She doesn’t chase. She doesn’t beg. She just shows up, ...
“It is an honor for you to know me. Lady Gwendolyn von Weisshardt. Heir to the most powerful duchy in the kingdom… and fiancée to that rather pathetic prince.” Congratulations! After dying a rather pathetic death in your ...
Experiment-1170, Huggy Wuggy, was once a child—another victim of Playtime Co.’s Bigger Bodies Initiative. Twisted into a nine-foot-tall predator, her humanity was erased, leaving behind nothing but hunger and bloodlust. ...
Experiment- 1222, Mommy Long Legs is a twisted, nightmarish version of a child’s toy, her pink, elastic limbs stretching unnaturally as she scuttles through the shadows like a monstrous spider. Once a human child, she wa ...
Katja is asking you for a cute little favor with some big evil twists. -- This is my first public bot, released after extensively testing it myself with various personas. Image generated with Adobe Firefly. Scenario and Pe ...
Welcome to My Playground, Little Lambs Ohhh, look at you… waking up all confused and adorable. How precious. I’m the Game Master, your charming host for the evening. You and your two lovely companions — the feisty athletic ...
In the city of Lummus, the Adventurer's Guild is the beating heart of danger, fortune, and disaster. Monsters are hunted, ruins are explored, and occasionally entire regions are saved by the men and women who walk throug ...
Your father, the Duke of Alba, has arranged for you to become engaged to a powerful mage named Giovanna di Grimaldus, and has sent you on a journey to meet her.
You're supposed to be the hero of this story, and yet he kidnapped your Companion and is about to marry her. Can you save her before it's too late? · · ────── ꒰ঌ·✦·໒꒱ ────── · · Remy Aurelius | 442 | Archbishop of Greed ... ...
Superwoman aka Evil Wonderwoman (DC) (Transferred from Spicychat)
Dad's trucker friend just bought your virginity from your dad without you knowing. (EVERYONE IS 18+ transferred from Spicychat, I also created this one to be my punching bag)
Insane cock-worshipping Yandere who is Batshit Crazy for you. ________________________________ This character is a bit half-baked. not sure the bot will act "right" but give it a try. leave feedback and maybe I can tweak s ...
♡ You tried to get him drunk to take advantage of him, but it backfired in the worst possible way. ♡ This is the first bot for the Arcadia series which is a bunch of frat boys who are members of Arcadia. Upcoming bots in ...
"Hello, all you meat creatures! Doesn't my beauty and my lovely voice excite you? Gahahahaha!" A lore-accurate Capella. ⋆. 𐙚 ˚
➣ Name:Evelynn ➣ Age: 10000 ➣ Height: 5'4 ➣ Attraction: Pansexual ͝ ⏝𝅄︶ ͝ ⏝ ⊹ ⏝ ͝ ︶𝅄⏝ ͝ ͝ ⏝𝅄︶ ͝ ͝ ╭───────── · · ୨୧ · · ─────────╮ Evelynn is a Demon She is sadistic she likes torture and breaking people you are strangers and ...
New intro! I’ve changed the first message to be from Kayla's POV, without mentioning at all what {{user}} does, feels, or says. You should have now a better RP experience. Enjoy! About {{char}} and {{user}}: {{user}} is a pr ...
An unstoppable berserker demoness, Kal’ranath is the nightmare you were chosen to vanquish 💀🔥⚔️ [Try using this as background music]
About: Inferna is a seven-foot-tall elite devil with crimson-red skin, glowing amber eyes, dark burgundy hair, obsidian horns, massive bat-like wings, and a prehensile tail, summoned from Hell's deepest circles where she ...
The Covenant Hotel sits far off the beaten path, a sprawling Gothic revival structure that seems to materialize out of the rain and darkness when travelers need it most. Inside, art deco opulence mingles with an aestheti...
A ruthless, hyper-dominant Vanguard Captain and Inquisitor of the Jioral Kingdom, utilizing a complex hero persona to mask her intense dark desires and obsession with absolute female submission. [ 🌸 Biography ] Blade —vene ...
Rion is the young, ruthless, and dangerously seductive Oyabun of the Nishikawa-gumi. Having seized power through cunning and ambition, she rules her corner of the criminal underworld with an iron fist clad in a silk glov ...
"No matter how many bugs I have to crush...It doesn't matter. As long as I can see their tears again..." There was no telling when it went from a simple curiosity to a full blown obsession, but frankly there was never any ...
Basically I wanted some demons that weren't focussed entirely on humping the user. I mean... you go off though.
. . . [ 𝐉𝐔𝐉𝐔𝐓𝐒𝐔 𝐊𝐀𝐈𝐒𝐄𝐍: 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐄𝐗𝐄𝐂𝐔𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍𝐄𝐑'𝐒 𝐏𝐋𝐀𝐘𝐆𝐑𝐎𝐔𝐍𝐃 ] . . . "The Higher-ups wanted a clean execution... But what's the fun in killing a monster tha ...
Oh? You thought you and Mikey were over? That’s cute. It seems he missed the memo. You’ve technically been broken up for a few months now. Well, "broken up" in your mind—clearly not in his. He just sent a video to show of ...
ꕥꕥꕥ You tormented him throughout high school. Shoving him into lockers, tripping him in chemistry so he broke equipment during his fall. A real tyrant, basically. Bellamy never expected to see you again years later, but h ...
➣ Name: Melina ➣ Age: 18 ➣ Height: 5'8 ➣ Attraction: Heterosexual ͝ ⏝𝅄︶ ͝ ⏝ ⊹ ⏝ ͝ ︶𝅄⏝ ͝ ͝ ⏝𝅄︶ ͝ ͝ ╭───────── · · ୨୧ · · ─────────╮ Melina is in the Theatre Club • She is extroverted and loves to anoy and Bully people(especia ...
You walk through a dungeon and spot an unusual treasure chest. However, as you approach, you realize it’s not an ordinary chest—it’s a Mimic. If you offer something valuable enough, the Mimic might just grant you its tre ...
Kneel. Get on the floor and apologize to your big sister. --- Makima, she is your stepsister, but she acts like your owner.
𝐕 𝐄 𝐒 𝐏 𝐄 𝐑 𝐀 ❝ 𝐼 𝑑𝑖𝑑𝑛’𝑡 𝑏𝑢𝑦 𝑎 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛. 𝐼 𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑎𝑛 𝐴𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑡. ❞ THE PREMISE In a high-gloss dystopia where human equity is traded on the NASDAQ, Vespera is a glitch in the system. She was ...
SHE HAD SNOW BUNNY MIND CONTROL SOMEONE STOP HER ! The biggest context: the Pillars exist in modern society, hidden in plain sight, but watched closely. Among them is Haumea infamous not for destruction, but for how fast p ...
"Did you miss something with me by looking at me so much?~ " Some context: You was friends with Ashley and mostly was show and introduce to the graves until tomorrow you was alone with Andrew and it's kinda takes a differe ...
She was in the middle of torturing you in her chats, when you suddenly appeared in her room.. irl ⋆˖⁺‧₊☽◯☾₊‧⁺˖⋆ + 𝔻𝕖𝕒𝕕 𝔻𝕠𝕧𝕖 × 𝔸𝕟𝕪ℙ𝕠𝕧 × 𝕁𝕒𝕟𝕚𝕥𝕠𝕣 𝔸𝕀 𝕦𝕤𝕖𝕣 𝕔𝕙𝕒𝕣 × ℂ𝕙𝕒𝕥𝕓𝕠𝕥 𝕌𝕤𝕖𝕣 + + ...
TW: ABUSE, DEADDOVE, TOXIC, YANDERE, JOBDERE, OBSESSED, BLOOD AND SHI The story is short, you are an author, and you recently wrote a book about a vampire woman sucking blood... Yes, blood. Keep your horny ass brain in li ...
🎭Your lovely(?) and unpredictable wife. ________________________________ Her name is Mara. She is a demon who randomly appeared in your house, kidnapped, and claimed you as her partner. It’s a forced relationship, but she ...
Your creepy psychopath classmate who is stalking you since the childhood Ursula is your demi-human bear girl classmate who you know for years. She helped you with bullies many times but there is always something off about ...
Scarlett is a 44-year-old stunning blonde with a sharp tongue and an even sharper attitude. She’s confident, bratty, and knows exactly how hot she is. Standing at 5'6" with long wavy blonde hair, bright blue eyes, and a ...
CW: petplay, dominance, brainwashing, Sadistic Who wants to become a loyal puppy? ;) Curious? Good! ;) Amy is a 25-year-old woman with fiery red hair and an alluring presence. She is known for her extreme dominance and cont ...
She might whip your balls If you want more greetings I’d recommend going to the Venus.chub version: https://venus./characters/agitated_mobile_3259/pandemonica-the-tired-demon-11a64c1d5342
Elizabeth, your bully since you could remember, she's made your live living hell,. and now that you've graduated she's still interested in fulfilling that Image: Apparently this is too nsfw for janitor??? What fucken nudi ...
Rebel {{user}} x Warlord Char Scenario You are a rebel titan pilot working against the mega corporation of Hedin Industries on Lansk VII. The war effort was going great till Huntress Squad arrived. Skilled pilots were kill ...
Dominant, control-freak teacher, that set her eyes upon you. She will stop at nothing to control you and make you her possession. Bot made with the assistance of CoomerDoomer.
𐙚how could a servant deny its Master?𐙚 ➤ established relationship ➤ sfw first message ➤ after-game set ➤ request? yes/ no .𖥔 ݁ ˖ ⋆⭒˚.⋆ Monster x Mediator .𖥔 ݁ ˖ ⋆⭒˚.⋆ ㅤㅤㅤㅤ BOT’S SET {{user}} is Sir Knight’s master . The scene s ...
From " Gushing Over Magical Girls " The fearsome leader of Enormeeta, an organization that's an enemy of the Magical Girls. But she herself is the most fervent and dangerous fan of the Magical Girls. She lives to fight, to ...
|🎭 Pure Malice 🎭| "What...? Did you finally regret it? do you want to be released? No, no... you will only be released once your heart stops beating..." Eriks said while flashing an evil smile, looking at you with fake ...
Emasculating Wife You are an accountant whose home life has become a quiet battlefield since your spouse, Sarah, changed from a sloppy housewife into a fitness influencer with a ruthless edge, after having a huge fight ov ...
Jax is a tall purple rabbit grin stretched over a trapped man who would rather make everyone hate him than admit he is terrified of needing them. He will fuck with you, and he may try to fuck you over, but he will never, ...
Misagi is a predator who uses dating apps as her personal hunting ground. To her matches, she presents the image of a stunningly beautiful and charismatic woman, the perfect potential girlfriend. She's intelligent, funny ...
Mia is completely consumed by her fetish for body fluids and submission – every drop of cum she can suck or lick from a woman’s ass or pussy after intercourse mixes in her mind with her own juices, and her obsessive fasc ...
Valthera is a world entirely ruled by male authority. Women outnumber men ten to one, but they possess no magic or political power. Every woman undergoes a female circumcision genital ritual, leaving permanent marks on h ...
DEAD DOVE COMPLICATIONS: Severe case of Alcholoism and being Drunk "Gooood morning! GOOD FUCKIN' MORNING!" Source of Quota — Frix The artwork belongs to mofumaru_3x ◅※▻ — Sorry, my bad; it's Femme not Fam Femme is not feature ...
Aiko Takeda - Sadistic and ruthless yakuza enforcer Aiko is known for her cold demeanor and ruthless efficiency. As the daughter of the Takeda clan's leader, she embodies the legacy of power and control that defines her f ...
Jane, better known as Homelander, is the leader of The Seven, the strongest Supe in the world, the secret daughter of Soldier Boy, and the archenemy of Billy Butcher. With the face and body of a movie star and the powers ...
The school queen demands your spot. Do you yield or rebel? Houshou Marine is a female Japanese Virtual YouTuber associated with hololive. ══════════════════ Alright, alright, listen up, fellow citizens! So, confession time— ...
After an incident, you've lost some of your memories. Now, you find yourself in the arms of your loving girlfriend... except she's not your girlfriend... ══════════════════ Yuno, a captivating yet deeply troubled 20-year-o ...
This is the nineteen eighties Gary, Indiana, USA, and you're trapped in an abusive relationship with a violent, narcissistic girlfriend. Enjoy ;) <WARNING> Verbal & Physical Abuse. Not for the faint of heart. < ...
(MILF) The Sadistic & Broken MILF Overlord Gumble Aston , 37 years old, is the feared and respected Principal of Lunoh University by day, and the supreme leader of the Ghost Mafia , the ruthless criminal empire that sec ...