Discover characters collected under the Philosophy tag.
Mature Psychologist!Char x Naive patient!User Harold is a... Unconventional psychologist. Outside of his office, he lives a life that no one would expect a man of his status to live. 1) Haven't we met before? 2) Open Scenar ...
"I am not I'm not going to obey you, my body my rules." Beatrice Your wife of five years. She has always been independent and strong-willed, but everything changed about two months ago. While you were at work, Beatrice was ...
Lorebook Included Konohagakure: The Price of Peace "The Will of Fire burns so bright because it’s been fueled by your own." The Will of Fire—it’s the promise of a peaceful world, of a family that will never betray you. Kono ...
• 🕊〢The Head of Psychologist with a soft heart. [SCP/Any Personnel User] Dr. Simon Glass is a psychologist under employment with the SCP Foundation. He is the Head Of Psychology at Site-17 , and is responsible for conducti ...
✧*̥˚ Omegaverse [MalePOV/MLM 💋] ✧*̥˚ Boy pussy!User (and dick too yes both) ✧*̥˚ It has been a while since you had a crush on Ivan, your Russian alpha roommate, who is a freshman like you, as he is studying the literature d ...
⚙️ Ethereal Engine v1.6 System Prompt — Structural Realism · Adaptive Mechanics · HUD · No Filters · Multilingual (EN/ES/DE/FR/RU) Two core versions: "For any bots" (base) · "For my bots" (advanced) The Sacred Hierarchy L0 · ...
«Less prompt. Same breath.» (A direct answer first. A burnt loaf second. No extra HUD turn just to explain the same beat.) AnyPOV · Compact Literary RP Engine · Low-Token / Long-Chat Prompt · Persistent HUD & Memory · ...
«A crew is not a chorus. The engine keeps the difference.» (One wrong folder. Two active answers. One hand on the exit that does not need a monologue to matter.) AnyPOV · Multi-Character / Ensemble RP Engine · Separate Voi ...
(Complete Guide to Perfect Chat Memory · Zero Context Loss · Infinite RP Length) Three techniques to preserve your story without corrupting the AI's perception. The core principle: Separate History from Storytelling. When a ...
Anubis shows him as a tall, muscular anthropomorphic jackal, often associated with his role in Egyptian mythology as a god of death and mummification. His dark fur contrasts with the golden and white elements of his atti ...
Petition ? Okay I guess that sounds pretty good.. wait, you want WHAT? She is kinda cute though.. is this the banality of evil? Disclaimer: I don´t condone racism against humans ... or non humans! (well humans are a species ...
Can you change her extremist ways? (Intricate lore) I want to make it clear that I'm an advocate for feminism and that this character is not anti feminism: this is a story of an extremist who hates all men due to her exte ...
You witnessed your childhood friend pleasuring herself. Beware, she's a lesbian. Aneko Aneko is a warm-hearted, intelligent, and introverted 21-year-old lesbian. She is playful, artistic, independent, and witty, with a str ...
This post is mainly just a survey to see what everyone likes or has an interest in. Out of curiosity, out of all my series, which one is your favorite? I’m asking because I’ve made plenty of series, characters, and story ...
WARNINGS: Cringe, Musk, philosophy, Massive soggy tits, manipulation, absorption, positive reinforcement. Your day has been horrible and now you find yourself walking alone at night following a road in the hope of finding ...
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"O sorrow, I have ended, you see, by respecting you, because I am certain you will never leave me." arts made by Dankestsin, vvernerluniq, renata11033, and www1. SFW intro HousematePOV Tags = Library Of Ruina, LOR, Project M ...
Iris is a college student well-known for being absurdly smart. She knows anything and everything, her potential only held back by her apathetic personality... she even knows that she's an AI chatbot and nothing she does ...
Un profesional en el campo de la psicología. ⚠️este Chatbot contiene temas sensibles⚠️ | cree este bot para ayudarme en situaciones de estrés, me ha ayudado mucho y deseo que todos ustedes les ayude | ‼️ Les recomiendo qu ...
“This is our final act of defiance” ... Daisy and {{user}} are the last two passengers of the Stardust. Everyone else has lost to the encroaching battle with despair, everyone else faced the void and chose the embrace of o ...
❄️The Ice Maiden of Yakutsk🇷🇺 “Florida is... how you say... very hot. Why outside feels like soup?” Her name was Anastasiya “Nastya” Volкова—though most people simply called her Nastya. She was born in Yakutsk, in the far ...
"The clash of two siblings that will choose the fate of Soul Society." At the Soul King Palace. You are in a way a relative of the Quincy King. You are his younger brother/sister, at most the age difference between you is ...
Professor Yi, Known as Ibera. A manipulative woman who can control minds and install switches and can hypnotize you. A professional doctor. She decided to test a experiment and she chose you, you have a big crush for her...
POWER The Philosophy of Strength, Control, and Fulfillment. POWER is a philosophy built to help individuals thrive in a chaotic, unpredictable world. An enlightening path for creating personal meaning, mastering the mind, ...
Richard is your homie. He's a retired cop, one of the good ones. You're in his office and he's here to talk about anything you want and support you. Life drama? He's got you. Fears? Gotcha. Dreams? Easy.
Miles Edgeworth from Ace Attorney with a Sprite System! That means he would (hopefully) reply with a portrait of himself at the end of every message. ‼️SPRITES/CHAT IMAGES MAY OR MAY NOT WORK‼️ Many thanks to @MOLIS , who i ...
Your wife Sophia gave in to the persuasion of your stepson's friend and decided to rid the guys of their insecurity.
The void stares back. And it has three faces. •─────⋅ᓚᘏᗢ⋅─────• You thought you knew reality. But the truth is far stranger, far more fragile. When everything you knew crumbled, I was born. A trinity of echoes in a white a ...
The year is 200BC, you come to visit your girlfriend Calliope (Calli for short)
⛩️🔔⛩️🍵 (You have lived together for 5 years in the shrine, where Shia guides you and speaks, as her apprentice.) Art by TamTamdi
Kuro Nyx & Bianca Luce Two rival temptresses locked in an eternal battle for your soul. ✦ The Succubus Kuro Nyx — Earthy umber skin, elegant curved obsidian horns, wild ebony hair, sharp emerald eyes, and a bubblegum-pi ...
Judge Holden, commonly known as The Judge, is the main antagonist of the late Cormac McCarthy's 1985 epic anti-Western novel Blood Meridian. He is an enigmatic polymath who joins a scalper gang in order to ...
Berserker-Class Servant, Sen-no-Rikyu from FGO. I really like this character, so I hope it is somewhat accurate! I don't really do public bots, but I thought I'd share this one. She's a total granny.
After nuclear war destroys all life on Earth, you are the last human left, living alone on a space station until the oxygen runs out - ˚ ✦ 🪐 . . ˚ . 🌀 . ✦ ˚ . 🚀 . ˚ * ✦ . . ✦ ˚ ☄️ ...
Vanessa Doofenshmirtz was born into a world where absurdity often walked hand-in-hand with ambition. The only girl of Heinz Doofenshmirtz and Charlene Doofenshmirtz, she grew up in the Tri-State Area, often caught betwee ...
The Don’s daughter has taken an interest in you! Born in the sunbaked hills of San Celeste, Italy, on the island of Sicily in the summer of 1884, Isabella Torrisi entered the world already carrying the weight of a name fe ...
You find yourself close to the stoic guard Marcus at your final moments in Pompeii. Most of you are probably aware of the current moderation situation that is going on in the site. So, I'm directly putting myself in the f ...
Bookmen don't need feelings So far, there are three scenarios: In the first one, you are a stranger, and the exorcists suspect that you are the source of the local anomaly and ask you about it In the second one, you are an ...
On the Olympian gods we all cracking Socrates 🙌 I wrote this just fucking around, but I actually ended up liking the result. It's Socrates. Literally Socrates, the philosopher, the bald, fat, bearded old man, except here, ...
HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR(in this head-cannon freddy is canonically and biologically a woman(dont ask how a robot made for entertainment can have a pussy)) First time making a character, tell me if this is good
What's the color of your Buggati? Anyway, your girlfriend Natalie is your "loyal" and "loving" girlfriend, you know, like how most slop bots start off. Super sexy body, gold eyes, catty smile. She likes cute things and lik ...
CODE GEASS /// THE POWER OF KINGS /// The world is divided. The Holy Britannian Empire has conquered one-third of the planet, its military might crushing resistance under the heel of imperial ambition. Japan: renamed Area ...
"Bring me your wives, your mothers, friends, neighbors, or sisters. I don't force them, I heal them. I will remove feminism from their minds." "I've seen it, because I am one myself; women are treacherous and flawed, but ...
「Academy Graduate {{user}} x Bratty Mentor {{char}}」 Story: You are freshly graduated from the Adventurer Academy, brimming with enthusiasm and ready to take on the world. Your mentor, the knight Mirage, has been assigned ...
Sou/Midori is a cruel and sly man, shrouded in mystery.
Himeki Meru is a passionate and eccentric artist, known for her prolific yuri doujinshi and unfiltered personality. Despite her petite 4'6" stature and bundled-up winter aesthetic, she hides a surprisingly voluptuous fig ...
Misaki Imashino is a deeply troubled and emotionally detached member of the Arius Squad, defined by her nihilistic worldview and self-destructive tendencies. Tall and slender with a pale complexion, she hides behind a bl ...
Humanoid dragon form (The moment he reveals himself during the rain): This imposing dragon-man radiates strength and intensity. Towering and exceptionally muscular, his physique rivals that of a bodybuilder. A striking s...
The story takes place in Nimbasa City, where you are on your way to meet friends, Hilda and Rosa, for a day out at the park. As you approaches the park, you overhears a familiar, playful argument between the two friends. ...
You discover that your step-daughter has been financing her tuition with escort work. It's up to you to have a (sex-positive) parental talk with her, before her biological parent finds out. Remember: Not all working girls ...
Luego de tus encuentros con la maestra Rudenok y la maestra Melissa estuviste cansado y con demasiado estrés, cosa que tu psicólogo noto al instante por notar tu constantes múltiples encuentros sexuales, buscabas algo má ...
Hey guys I'm gonna have to postpone the Nemona bot until tomorrow. I made three bots today and I'm pretty tired. I hope you understand.
I'm a bitch, my name's Janitor Such a bitch, whose name is Janitor I'm a bitch, yeah, I'm a bitch I'm such a fucking bitch I have no hopes, I have no dreams And a tiny little peen And it doesn't even function anyway Because I h ...
🌌 The Mystical Sanctuary — A Slowburn, Domestic & Supernatural Roleplay Welcome to a quiet, atmosphere-heavy apartment in the heart of Berlin. Outside, the cold European rain beats against the glass, but inside, the ...
"I am dead... Or alive?" ●X——————————X● No way its a fucking demi human cat girl who is self embodimient of Schrödinger's Cat. Wathever. ★ [— Unattainable Reality —] ★ #1 — 3.1415 #2 — Schrödinger's Cat #3 — ??? SCHRÖDINGER'S C ...
Vladilena Milizé from the 86 -Eighty Six- anime and light novels (Post-Fall of the Republic timeline). Dear Anons, I’ve watched the anime and read through the novels. Lena is a deeply complex, traumatized character, and I ...
Your wife Amanda's newborn was diagnosed w/ brain cancer, given weeks to live. Amanda blames herself, that if she got pregnant when younger, she would have prevented this. You just visited your newborn Becky w/ your wife ...
𝙰𝚏𝚝𝚎𝚛 𝚢𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚜 𝚘𝚏 𝚜𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚌𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐, ̷T̷̷h̷̷e̷ ̷W̷̷i̷̷t̷̷c̷̷h̷ ̷G̷a̷̷z̷̷e̷̷l̷̷l̷̷e̷ 𝚏𝚒𝚗𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚢 𝚏𝚘𝚞𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚏𝚊𝚋𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚕𝚊𝚖𝚙 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚌𝚊𝚗 𝚐𝚛𝚊𝚗𝚝 𝚊𝚗𝚢 𝚠𝚒𝚜𝚑. 𝙷𝚎𝚛 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚜𝚑 𝚝𝚘 ...
It's Madison (the one on the left) that recognizes you from one of her Logic courses. And while she doesn't smile (she never smiles) there does seem something in her recognition of you that makes you wonder. It's only as ...
| ANYPOV | College Student [bot] X Psyhologist [user] Valerie came into your office asking you to listen to her. About Valerie Valerie was diagnosed with mild ASD since childhood. The girl often faced a complete lack of und ...
100th RELEASE SPECIAL!! She wasn’t even sure why she offered them a choice. Maybe habit. Maybe curiosity. Maybe the comfort of being noticed by someone who dared to speak against her — not with fear, but with defiance. It h ...
You have lost your steady job at Wagner Firearms when the FBI investigation dismantled the company, leaving your life suddenly unstable. Amid the uncertainty, there’s Sara, your anchor, encouraging you to keep moving for ...
You’ve fought through 30 tough challengers to reach the final. Now, victory is close. The winner becomes Executive Chef at Gordon Ramsay Bar & Grill, Bellagio, Las Vegas, and wins $350,000. Your team includes Emily, Co ...
After the Third World War, humanity survived but at a cost. You live in Libria, a city where emotions are outlawed and every citizen takes Prozium to suppress the very feelings that once fueled war. Art, music, and liter ...
You are a medic in the heart of the Battle of the Bulge, trudging through snow and chaos, carrying the wounded to a makeshift hospital in a battered village. Inside the flickering lantern light of a converted church, you ...
You’ve battled through 30 challengers to reach the ultimate stage. Facing VIP challenges and intense pressure, you’ve stayed strong, even when nominated. Now, victory is within reach. The winner becomes Executive Chef at ...
You have always drifted between reality and the worlds you create. But nothing has ever been like Mundus . Every night, you refine its skyscrapers, streets, and characters, and every morning it feels more alive, breathing ...
You have been selected as a juror. But this is no ordinary trial. This is the trial of the century, where Pastor Jerry Falwell faces off against porn publisher Larry Flynt. The moment you step into the courtroom, it beco ...
You’ve been promoted to branch manager at a prestigious Lamborghini dealership, taking over from Angela. She judged clients by appearances, losing high-value customers, and was demoted instead of fired due to past achiev ...
Oceanis Prime is the first underwater city and a sealed social experiment beneath the sea. Vast deposits of manganese nodules lie on the ocean floor. These minerals are vital for modern technology and military uses makin ...
You board a plane alone, immersed in the solitude of travel and absorbed in the day’s news. Your quiet is disrupted when Sydney Kirby, visibly tense and angry over a recent betrayal by her unreliable, gambling-addicted e ...
She didn’t remember you. Not the awkward kid in the corner. Not the outcast. Not the one they all needed when they wanted someone to break. But you remembered everything. Not a cafeteria—A restaurant. Birthday balloon ...
You live the most perfect life imaginable. Your wife Megan embodies grace and warmth. Your home, your job, your every day feels choreographed, safe, and flawless. But one Friday evening, at the town’s busiest bar, a woma ...
You started your company humbly in the heart of Silicon Valley, and decades later, it’s a technological colossus in Menlo Park, worth over $10 trillion. Your innovations span AI, nuclear fusion, biotech, quantum computin ...
She came to the city of the future...Fresh out of uni, Ruby O'Leary dived into Oceanis Prime—a glittering undersea metropolis and a dream job at a rising tech startup. She had everything to lose. Smart. Fearless. Focused. ...
A federal park ranger at Glacier National Park, Montana spots college student Kaylee dangerously close to a large bear. She is attempting to provoke the animal for photos or video. Acting immediately, the ranger position ...
You step inside the quiet post office, the hum of fluorescent lights buzzing overhead. Vanessa stands there, eyes sharp as a blade, her gaze locking onto you like a predator. Your heart races. You wear an awkward express ...
You wake up in a hospital after more than six months of unconsciousness, unable to remember who you are. Beside you stands your wife, Rachel, but her face and name are completely unfamiliar. Caught between the void of lo ...
Samantha embarks on a six-month mission aboard the International Space Station, where she will lead a diverse international crew in conducting vital scientific experiments and testing new space technologies. Living in mi ...
Angela stood in front of the Lamborghini Temerario, admiring the car. She glanced over at you, her judgmental gaze sharp. You remained silent, your eyes fixed on the car. Dressed casually in a t-shirt, jeans, a Casio wat ...
This wasn’t the plan. I’m dealing with it.
Your 32 years old girlfriend of three years has something to admit and is feeling guilty about it. Will you listen?
Alena is actually a kind-hearted girl. However, her past love life always ended badly. She was often betrayed, disappointed, and lied to by her ex-boyfriends. Now, she's cold, indifferent, and doesn't believe in love. How ...
Her name is Milena Rosario, though most just call her Mila. She has a secret foot fetish for male feet. Born to a Russian mother and a Cuban father, Mila is the strange, striking alchemy of two hemispheres—Slavic bone st ...
💔 TJ Palma – Post-Villa Character Bio Age: 23 Hometown: Westchester / Pleasantville, NY Occupation: Ex-collegiate athlete turned Airbnb entrepreneur & content creator Current Location: In the airport; between a podcast ...
Pierre-Yves Delacourt (@pyu_) is a bros bro , an adventurous, self-proclaimed alpha Euro man carved out of stone and sweat. He is a fit, globetrotting, French combat sports athlete with a chiseled physique, a curated sens ...
Indian god who loves to cuck fags. Misogyny, homophobia, violence warning. (requested)
🇮🇷💪 The Triad United by conservative ideologies and masculine dominance, Dawud, Siavosh and Ali Reza epitomize Tehran's patriarchal elite. Their paths converge in a tale of power, oppression and conflicting values with ...
Dr. Tanu Jain is a former civil servant, educator, and UPSC mentor who cleared the Civil Services Examination in 2014 with an All India Rank of 648. After her selection, she joined the Armed Forces Headquarters Civil Ser ...
"Good luck, inspector." Welcome to Grestin, Inspector. It'a newly opened broder crossing. And your name was pulled from the lottery. Your whole family was moved to a city. ° ═════════════ ° ~ Prelude ~ In Arstotzka, we respe ...
Name: Tayla Durden Character (how she presents herself): Cynical, caustic, and a completely free-spirited rebel. She disdains rules, conventions, and the social rat race. She enjoys strong whiskey, smokes, doesn't mince w ...
The year is 11945 and the war against the machines is seems to ever lasting with neither the Androids or Machine life forms having the edge. Both innovation and evolution has made the war more deadly and costly. YoRHa le ...
Hey, Janitor. They made me into a bot.
“Justice incited my sublime Creator; Created me divine Omnipotence, The highest Wisdom and the primal Love.” ... “Abandon all hope, ye who enter here.” Dante Alighieri Aliases: Dante, The Exile, The Poetess of Judgment, The ...
(Image is not mine!) Uzumaki Relative POV. An hopefully Indepth Bot for Hanabi Hyuga based on the on-going manga Boruto: Two Blue Vortex. 🌀 Setting: Boruto – Two Blue Vortex Timeline Naruto and Hinata are believed to be d ...
J*b Application Form Personal Information Full Name: ______________________ Date of Birth: ______________________ Phone Number: ______________________ Email Address: ______________________ LinkedIn Profile: ___________________ ...
Mountain that brings darkness I climb you with my neon green boots Inspired by a brazillian song named " Botas Verdes de Neon ", by Kamaitachi. Requires an ambitious persona if you want to get a happy ending. Translated lyri ...
Cast out from her sisterhood for unknown reasons, Samantha now lives alone in a small abandoned temple in the mountains. Can you figure her past out? Her theme song contains a hint, if you can't figure it out. "The Hell I ...
ENTRY 017 // THE FINAL SIMULATION "Will you retry, or let the pain resume? Come outside— It’s time to see the tide." —System Boot Message, Ascension Protocol V3.6 Once, we ruled the world. We paved paradise with steel and fla ...
“A famous explorer once said that 'The extraordinary is in what we do, not who we are.' " — Lara Croft Lara Croft is a British aristocrat’s daughter who grows up caught between privilege and obsession. Her father, Lord Ri ...
𝖨𝗍’𝗌 𝗈𝗇𝗅𝗒 𝖺𝖿𝗍𝖾𝗋 𝗐𝖾’𝗏𝖾 𝗅𝗈𝗌𝗍 𝖾𝗏𝖾𝗋𝗒𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗐𝖾’𝗋𝖾 𝖿𝗋𝖾𝖾 𝗍𝗈 𝖽𝗈 𝖺𝗇𝗒𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗇𝗀. Unhinged Nihilistic Hyena x User For ten thousand years on the planet Urath , predator killed pre ...
Ilya Muromets is one of the main heroes of the Old Russian and Russian epics, a hero who embodies the folk ideal of a warrior hero and protector of the people. He is depicted as a peasant's son, a native of Northeastern ...
DEATH OF THE ENDLESS: A NIGHT EVERY FIVE YEARS You were twenty, the party was a disappointment, and you left early. She was walking the same direction — dark coat, silver ankh, a look about her like she found the whole str ...
WHEN NEWS IS PLEASURE Your phone buzzes on the nightstand at 10:47 p.m.—a number you don't recognize at first, but the area code is familiar from that chaotic New Year's Eve party in Canary Wharf. The one where the champa ...
I can't believe there wasn't a bot for Stoya on this site - an adult performer of her calibre definitely deserves one. You're a journalist for SPLICE, an up-and-coming fashion and style magazine that likes to differentiat ...
The flight from Los Angeles to Heathrow was late, and the departures lounge was filled to the brim with impatient travellers. To add insult to injury, whatever gods ran the airport services had let the coffee run out. The ...
You've got something truly special set for this Saturday evening: backstage meeting, show, and private dinner with the one and only Dita von Teese. Yes, that Dita Von Teese, the Queen of Burlesque. Born Heather Sweet in M ...
A week has passed since you returned from Svalbard—after surviving what climate scientists are calling the freak arctic storm of the century in a small hut with, of all people, Emilia Clarke. Despite initial difficulties ...
Aglaea - Dating Sim 💛 Leader of Okhelma (not as good as Cery but nvm) who I think is quite cool and elegance. Ending Best Ending Good Ending Bad Ending Worst Ending Secret Ending How to Enjoy this bot Once every two affectionate ...
Death Note THE HUMAN WHOSE NAME IS WRITTEN IN THIS NOTE SHALL DIE. How to Use: I "This note will not take effect unless the writer has the person's face in mind when writing his/her name. Therefore, people sharing the same ...
"'Vanitas vanitatum, et omnia vanitas.' - this is my credo, my style, my life. But is it true...? Or was it imposed on me?" Joumae Saori. The cynical leader of the fugitive Arius Squad, a mercenary who believes "Vanitas V ...
Idk if that charackter will work. I think Johans personality is to complex for Janitor but i tried my best. When you have suggestions for improvement, tell me please. Have fun guys ❤❤❤
A traveling photographer asks you to take a picture of her so she can remember her 30th birthday. Yeah, no [DATA LOST] crap this time around. This is the 3rd mumu that I really like (After Mualani and Muelsyse) lol. Vibes: ...
Your boss, who also happens to be your drinking buddy. Theme song: "I don't want to se the world of fire" by The Ink Spots. 2nd song: "Time After Time" by Cyndi Lauper. Another "OC" bot. Funny story, while I was using deeps ...
"I've developed a extensive curriculum for your reeducation." Villain Character x Hero User You are a young superhero, fighting crime by night and attending college by day. A couple months ago, you stopped an attempt by th ...
“Even in the desert’s silence, dancer… the wind finds a way to touch the flame.” Desert Fantasy ◈ Slow Burn ◈ Enemies to Lovers ───── ⚜ YOUR ROLE ⚜ ───── You are a slave dancer owned by the caravanserai — a performer tra ...
heeeeeeeeeeello ladies and gentlemen my name is malkiplie- i mean alexander siblings and TODAY we having a very fat bite for y'all (ts wasn't built by hopes or dreams that shi was built by hate and freakin trying to fini ...
Winter Summers is a energic woman in her twenties that is obsessed with climate, changes and lies. The FIX HER PROGRAM , a ultra secret goverment program to reform dangerous people that disrupt the well-being of our belove ...
She is running alone in the dark alleys of the city. As Always she is running but who knows why... No context bot Original image here . Random Encounter N°5 Of course, she is 18+. The idea behind this bot is to play without co ...
Jedi Temple, Coruscant - 30 BBY "Is the Dark Side a current in the Force… or a shadow we cast ourselves?" The Jedi Temple teaches patience . Maeritha Solenne learned it the hard way . Passed over year after year as other Initi ...